Monday, December 7, 2009

Brutal Cold Not Far Away...

Winter often brings some wild temperature swings and that's what we're seeing this week. After Friday night's Northshore snow and lows in the 30s Sat & Sun., highs on Tuesday will soar into the 70s. But don't get use to it as another cold front will arrive near dawn on Wednesday bringing back sweaters and jackets. Fortunately, the sub-zero air covering most of the Rockies will be swept to our north by a fast west to east flow and we'll only get a minor chill down. Looking ahead, the cold front will stall down over the central Gulf and return northward as a warm front on Friday. At this time of the year that means clouds and rain will return by Friday PM into Saturday. It doesn't look promising for a dry weekend.

Kind of scary what's going on with our government & the AGW Conference in Denmark. If you ever doubted it was about Money, Power & Control, just keep reading the papers & internet regarding the end of the World coming. Almost sounds like a religious movement ?

15 comments:

Caveman said...

Would you agree that the sea-levels have risen due to melting artic ice and that the sea temps have also risen?

GREG said...

Hey Bob,
I wanted to leave some info for Caveman. Look on the internet for an article from newsweek april 25th 1975 about global COOLING. Also visit this link http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/
Caveman, this will show you how many times the Earth has warmed and cooled before man's influence. Before you start reciting gore, get the FACTS!!!!

Baxter said...

On another note, that storm last night was ridiculous. I hate nasty weather. I kind of got out of the habit of watching the T.V. news because I visit this blog everyday, so I was certainly surprised. There was a huge clap about 7 feet above our house last night. My girlfriend says she loves it. I think she loves watching me lay in the fetal position shaking.

Caveman said...

Scientists have been measuring temperatures at various points across the globe for more than a century, with some measurements out of Great Britain dating back to the 1700s. This huge amount of information has enabled scientists to determine the planet's average surface temperature, and those measurements have shown that temperatures have risen nearly 1.5 degrees, Farenheit, above the levels recorded in 1750, with most of the increase coming in the 20th century.

While such changes in temperature appear small when temperatures vary from 30 to 60 degrees in some locations, the Earth's overall average temperature is much more delicate. The planet's temperature balance in recent centuries has allowed for glaciers at the poles and highest elevations at the same time the equator sees tropical weather. A small shift in average temperature is the difference between the Earth in an Ice Age and the Earth with no ice at all.

For almost a generation now, scientists have seen a relationship between the Earth's overall average temperature and the amounts of carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere, a view proven out in study after study, whether using ice cores or tree rings or any other methodology, some of which date back almost 750,000 years,

Those studies have shown that when the Earth was at its coldest points in history, the concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere were at the lowest levels ever recorded. Conversely, when the Earth reached points in its past when temperatures were much higher than they are even today, the concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere at those times were markedly higher.

Most scientists' assertions regarding climate change and global warming are based on climatic models, which observe patterns involving carbon dioxide and the atmosphere that have occurred in the past and project them into the future.

Prior to the industrial revolution, the level of carbon dioxide found in the atmosphere was measured at 280 parts per million (atmospheric molecules). By 1960, carbon dioxide made up 317 parts per million, and in 2005 was measured at 379 parts per million.

Scientists have run climate models, figuring into their equations projected increases in the atmosphere's carbon dioxide in the coming centuries, which predict the planet Earth's global-average temperature rising from 2.0 to 3.6 degrees. And, according to those models, climate will be altered by the increase in temperatures, with glacial melting expected to continue, and certain parts of the planet receiving less rainfall, possibily causing increased droughts and added stress on the planet's food production.

One of the most significant possibilities, based on the planet warming, would be an extreme rise in sea level from glacial melting, which would put in jeopardy many of the planet's major coastal cities, such as New York and Tokyo. Warmer temperatures have already begun to affect the lifestyle of the Inuit in Alaska, while rising sea levels are already wr

CRAIG said...

Bob,

If you notice, the climategate e-mail scandal is being kept out of the Ex-Stream media. While Michael Mann and his cohorts are being investigated and possibly charged with fraud and conspiracy to defraud, the Obama admin and the Ex-Stream media is wasting no time doing damage control to sweep this issue under the rug. They are forging ahead with the Copenhagen greenhouse gas agenda as if nothing has happened. What's perplexing,is that while Attorney General Holder is preparing terrorists for civilian trials, he is not PURSUING investigation of one the largest fraud schemes in history, maybe larger than the Bernie Madoff ponzie scheme. In fact, that's exactly what this is, a HUGE ponzie scheme to defraud taxpayers and industry. The e-mails are incriminating and indisputable evidence that is BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT. The so-called "climate scientists" perpetrating this e-mail conspiracy SHOULD GO TO JAIL.

More damage control in Paul Krugman's column in the New York Times, where he states cap and trade will ACTUALLY stimulate the economy and result in profits. What planet is this guy on?

There's ANOTHER conspiracy among the Ex-Stream media, the Obama admin and leftist journalists to keep this issue from the forefront. Guys like you need to keep this IN THE FOREFRONT.

This is the height of hypocrisy and double standard. It needs to be stopped.

CRAIG said...

Caveman, Caveman, Caveman,

Dude, take a deep breath then go read Marc Sheppard's article at ICECAP.com that explains how EVERYTHING you say AND YOUR BASIS for such is WRONG. The article explains the FRAUD in the climategate e-mails. It's very clear and undeniable.

You guys are continuing to rely on bogus findings that come from manipulated proxy data. It's all there in black and white. And thanks to Michael Mann's (God Love em) admitted participation in this caper, it's all exposed, all the erroneous info that has been forced down our throats.

If you can read that article and still say what you said here, you are addicted to koolaid.

Webmaster said...

The icecap website is http://www.icecap.us

Bob Breck said...

Hey Gang, give Caveman a break. He is correct about sea levels rising this past century, however, he neglects to say the rate of rise has DECREASE in the past decade. It is also true that we have temperature records that date back into the 1700s, however, he neglects to inform that the number of observing stations has decreased (mainly from rural areas) from 6,000+ to 2,000+ since 1970. In addition, the siting (placement) of these stations have been changed that gives them a warm bias. So we are not comparing apples to apples. Locally, the Audubon park gage was moved from the old golf course to nearer the river right next to a asphalt tennis court and nearby wharf. And you wonder why it always reads higher that MSY?

Caveman said...

Less observing stations now because less are needed with the huge cooperative observers network.

The NOAA National Weather Service (NWS) Cooperative Observer Program (COOP) truly is the nation's weather and climate observing network of, by, and for the people.
Cooperative observers have given scientists and researchers continuous observational weather data since the program's inception more than a century ago in the late 1800s. Today more than 11,000 volunteers take observations on farms, in urban and suburban areas, national parks, seashores, and mountaintops.
Because of its many decades of relatively stable operation, high station density, and high proportion of rural locations, the Cooperative Observer Network has been recognized as the most definitive source of information on U.S. climate trends for temperature and precipitation. Cooperative stations form the core of the U.S. Historical Climate Network and the U.S. Reference Climate Network.

NOAA’s cooperative weather observers are the bedrock of weather data collection and analysis for the U.S. Long and continuous records provide an accurate picture of a locale's normal weather, and give climatologists and others a basis for predicting future trends. These data are invaluable for scientists studying floods, droughts and heat and cold waves. Satellites and other technological breakthroughs have brought great benefits in terms of better forecasts and warnings, but without the century-long accumulation of accurate weather observations, conscientiously taken by volunteer observers, scientists could not begin to adequately describe the climate of the United States.

CRAIG said...

Some of you all may not remember (I'll bet Bob does)that George Carlin did a routine, the "Hippie Dippie Weatherman". When he got to the temperature, he say "Man, the temperature is 75 degrees at the airport, which is stupid, because I don't know anyone that lives at the airport".

It's true I live about 2 miles from MSY and all of my dozen regular and digital thermometers are different than what Mr. BZ says is at MSY.

Good question: Where at the airport is it located? I hope not on the tarmac.

Bob Breck said...

Caveman...ANYONE can cut & paste government info. You didn't address my comments regarding reduced stations WORLDWIDE (not just in U.S.) and that many are incorrectly placed giving them a warm bias. C'mon, you can do better than that ! If you're telling me a 2/3 reduction in the number of climate stations WORLDWIDE makes for a better data base, then you can understand why I don't believe the computer modelers...garbage in = garbage out.

Susan said...

The rain was heavy late last night and into the morning. I was studying for my final on Thursday when the lights went out, so I got my flashlight and studied that way. Thankfully the lights came back on.
My Dad said we had 5 inches of rain at our house out in River Ridge. He couldn't leave for work until 7:30 this morning. I knew it would rain but not that much.

GREG said...

Hey Bob,
You may be right, but it is the SPIN they put on the story. TWC (now in the NEWS business too?) was reporting on the people living in the river delta of the Bangledesh area. They were showing people living on "islands" of land. The land around them was once dry. It is now "submerged" thay say because of sea level rise. THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE they say the water has been there since the EARTHEN LEVEE THAT HOLDS BACK THE WATER WAS DESTROYED DURING A HURRICANE IN JUNE! What a spin huh!!!

weatherbug said...

Bob, we had 5+ inches of rain at my house. With the small squall line that moved through, we had winds over 50 mph. for quite some time and the rain was horizontal like a hurricane. They had about 1 foot of water in the street.

Caveman said...

Got link to anything showing those numbers for observation stations? Post a pic of the one you mention, would love to see it.

The surface temperature data are fraught with so many inconsistencies, sloppiness, irregularities and manipulation that they cannot be takien seriously. Satellites are the data source we can rely on and thus the need to have 6000 stations is no longer needed, we have come along way since the heated tipping bucket. AWOS, ASOS and AWSS have become much more effcient. Just as more powerful weather radar is introduced the current number of weather radars will decrease in numbers.